Sam Shamoun on the VIRAL Orthodox vs. Knechtle Debate

The student, who I believe is a deacon in the Orthodox Church. Also, what’s up with the autogenerated captions. Sam said “those Jews” and it heard “oh, shoes” haha😅

The Ethiopian Orthodox Deacon obliterated Cliff and Stuart.

I don't believe we should crucify the Knechtle's, they are students of the Law just like us

Knechtle is an embarrassment. He's basically the same level as every other strip mall bully bob church leader. He knows nothing but he is very certain of himself.

Sam you got this one wrong! John 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that you know not of. 34 Jesus said unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Taking communion is a reminder that doing his will is how we receive spiritual sustenance.

brother, we will never accept your new doctrins after 7 council and we will never accept your lgbt blessing. so if your convert to the catholicism of the 1000, there s no problem to unite

Perhaps he could be young, but don't let that fool you into thinking he is inexperienced. He is a Deacon, and the knowledge was clearly demonstrated here.

My brother we pray you all return to the mother church . Orthodoxy

Get rid of the pope it may happen

@@amahakidane2857which one..?

LMAO

Somehow we Catholics missed out the greatest trilogy of all time, The Vatican Trilogy!
How come nobody informed me about this. 😆

@@zonerecxcross I’m crying 😭😭as soon as the orthodox brother said there’s no Vatican 3, Stuart tried to play it off 😭😭😭

As a believer you play gta?
You should be reading your bible.

This might be the best video reply ever.

By that logic of catholics and orthodox. People at the End times will be rejected by god because they did not understand that they needed to get baptised or eat the bread and wine in church.
Another question you have to answer is what if someone didnt get the Chance to do so?Ä

Go watch the full debate, he addresses both of these issues when the thief on the cross is invoked. Essentially, God condescends to us based on where we are. For the theif, he was dying on a cross. For me, I am a healthy young person with time to commit to living a life of faithfulness. Each to his own ability as the talents to the servants.

@Fabtsp The Catholic Church actually teaches that there are three forms of baptism:
Baptism of water (the ordinary means),
Baptism of desire (for those who truly wanted baptism but died before receiving it),
Baptism of blood (for those who die for Christ without having been baptized).
So yes, it is possible for someone who never knew about water baptism to still be saved-if they sought God sincerely and would have desired baptism had they known.
But here's the real danger:
Some people do know about baptism, and are still convinced it's just a symbol-or even unnecessary. And when presented with clear evidence from Scripture and tradition, they harden their hearts.
Now picture this: at the moment of death, when the truth is revealed, they’re given one final choice-to be baptized into Christ. But because of their pride and past rejection, they refuse.
That’s terrifying. And very possible.
So the issue isn't just about not knowing.
It’s about rejecting.
And encouraging others to dismiss the necessity of baptism-especially when we know better-isn’t kindness. It’s cruelty.
Because it puts souls at risk.
Let’s not try to dance around baptism. Let’s call people into it. Out of love.

@@FabtspThose are the tools to salvation and a glorification of Gods grace. If you are adamantly against Gods grace then you will not be saved of your OWN volition.

@@Fabtsp pretty ridiculous huh? You didn't eat your wafer so to hell you go. These peeps are heretical blaspheming 🤡s

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❤God bless you.

DOES THAT MATTER!??

Why so many orthodox are claiming pride over this thing? I don't hear you say "Proud to know Jesus my Lord and Saviour who died on the cross for me". But only "pride to be orthodox", "ethiopian orthodox" etc etc.
Jeremiah 9:24
"but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord.."
Sounds like a fake and false Pride, because Jesus never said to claim pride over a confession, that would prove you're a false christian

course the true worship is belong to them go to the home of God

AND Cliff. Cliff had to back pedal and cut off the debate because he was smoking the both of them. They both need to repent.

Cliff is the same way. arrogant when it comes to debating teachings that go against protestantism

@ I wouldn’t say the kid needed to repent more like Stuart did since he is the guest and he started to bring up heresy

@@User_55558-z I guess I wondered that weirdly. I think Cliffe and Stuart need to repent. But also I do believe the young man needs to come into communion with Rome but believe he’s closer to the truth than Cliff and Stuart

By that logic of catholics and orthodox. People at the End times will be rejected by god because they did not understand that they needed to get baptised or eat the bread and wine in church.
Another question you have to answer is what if someone didnt get the Chance to do so?

He belittled need god

@@4cam7 what he did -was school the teachers.

By that logic of catholics and orthodox. People at the End times will be rejected by god because they did not understand that they needed to get baptised or eat the bread and wine in church.
Another question you have to answer is what if someone didnt get the Chance to do so?

​@@Fabtsp Mormons answer than in their theology

@@Fabtsp We don't tell God who to reject. God gives us normative authority on HOW to be saved.
That question applies to "what if someone doesn't get the chance to say the sinners prayer?"

Yes proud Orthodox

Why so many orthodox are claiming pride over this thing? I don't hear you say "Proud to know Jesus my Lord and Saviour who died on the cross for me". But only "pride to be orthodox", "ethiopian orthodox" etc etc.
Jeremiah 9:24
"but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord.."
Sounds like a fake and false Pride, because Jesus never said to claim pride over a confession, that would prove you're a false christian

Your handle Freemason Islam I'm confused.

@ it’s to make them research if they get permission of course

I don't get it

do you have a mental illness? I just read your bio

​@@Rick-to8tqits bait

A blessed Oriental Orthodox

Go go go bro. Valid sacraments are there. He's just waiting on you.

True orthodoxy is in the Catholic Church.

come and see

What do you mean? Are you currently not an Orthodox Christian, or are referring to orthodoxy in faith? God bless

😂😂😂 wow but true lol

@@michaelalvarez408bro sam explains why he says that 😭😭😭

@@Erikquevedo-k2cJesus doesn’t want anyone to call anyone’s mother a w****

@@Erikquevedo-k2c still not an excuse...

dude, God used many people in old testament and they were worst than sam, God will use you because of your and heart's intention and your ability

Sure in the terms of what the Church believed, ((What the Orthodox Believe)) Not Jesus.

@@AlbikerkyIsNotReal You know what Jesus believes ?

@@matthieundumbi3888 Himself. He is the way Truth and the life. No Church or Priest.

@@AlbikerkyIsNotReal Indeed he is. But what does he believe on this matter since you know it ?

@ Seek him and you will find him, Matthew 7-8. Repentance to change your ways for him, Mark 1:15/Luke 9:23.
This isn't some hidden knowledge or something I was specially given. The message is for all of us and has been.

Cliff does a good and holy work against islam, Atheism and heresies worse than protestantism.
But he is a heretic/

The young man was not claiming to be more Christian than anybody. He was saying that a certain DOCTRINE about the Eucharist is the original and authentic doctrine about it and that we know this because all extant Christian writings from the first 300 years agree on it. He never talked about his "denomination". He only said "I am Orthodox" because Knechtle seemed to think he was a Catholic. There were no "denominations" for the first 15 centuries of Christianity. The idea that there could be numerous rival churches that all had an equal claim to be churches is a modern notion.

Being a Christian means following Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Church is just one. It is not a matter of "I'm more Christian than you!", it's a matter of being objective and following the Truth.

so how do you know what u follow is right? because ur mother and grandmother told you so? because u went on your own?

its sad to see so many prideful christians. but it clearly shows that the demons are winning the spiritual war. i bet u guys wont believe in demons, and think exorcist in churches are snakeoil scammers. lol. its funny u guys can believe god is a spirit that lives eternally and the angels. yet u guys choose to think demons dont exist anymore. then who are getting cast into hell during judgment day? god made up random things? the bible mentions the devil and his DEMONS and those that god deem unworthy according to his standards.
and my point was just. u guys just choose what to believe in. if u parents get possessed u gonna start believing for sure. then what? u want god to make people you loved be possessed? u guys need to repent before its too late.
u guys think u know it all. we all learn from someone. when u were a baby, and a toddler. who taught you to speak, to walk? where did you go to pick up how to read and write? by your own? even if such a genius exist, its a rare exception not the norm.

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By studying church history.

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Welcome home to the fullness of the truth.❤✝️🙏🥖🍷🕊♥️

Welcome Home. It was always your home with doors wide open. Amen

It's such a dishonest tactic

I honestly don’t think they did lol. To me it sounded like Stewart was so ignorant of church history that he didn’t even know that he was misunderstanding the young man. My key just assumed that if this guy was talking about church fathers to him, then he must be a Catholic and accept all councils. He was trying to call the young man out on a contradiction that he never made.

@@michaelclay7822 he wasnt ignorant. he says he went through ALL the historical facts before coming to his conclusion. most protestants wouldnt make these claims. they will say they listen to their pastor and family etc etc. they never studied history.

@@mikejames303Reminds a lot of the M's.

Well there both humans and can sometimes be wrong doesn't make them bad or dishonest. There will go look at it and see where there are wrong and the spirit will lead them to the right path. Even in the bible peter and Paul the apostle also disagree at times.

You keep worshiping the church, we will worship the Lord.

@@Just_in_Rich Contradiction... Don't you read your Bible? The Church is the Body of Christ here on earth. Jesus Christ is the head of the body...No body par works alone. Have you ever seen a hand crawling down the street? Other than munster's tv show. What about a leg hoping down the street? Jw's and MormOn's read their Bibles yet they are not part of the Church Christ established. You are no different, only in rebellion to what Christ established.

The same here...

@@Just_in_Rich Contradiction... Do you not read the scriptures? The Church is the body of Christ here on earth, Christ is the head. You can not have Christ without His body. You are being deceived friend. Jw's and Mormons read their bibles yet they are separated from Christ.

Can you elaborate on the difference? Im really trying to learn

AMEN

May I ask how and why you are eastern orthodox but going to Roman Catholic Church?

@ i like the sermons givin there and also my friends attend that church so it’s always nice to talk about the faith with someone who can think slightly different.

@ okay… I’ve noticed this theme before. That there are some people who are baptized orthodox or go to Orthodox Church yet maintain allegiance in some manner wether formal or sentimental to the Roman Catholic Church, and do it mainly because of an affinity for their friends or spouse or some past experience. They want to socialize with friend or they want to be with their spouse or be buried next to their lover who is in a Catholic cemetery (and they can’t do that if they aren’t formally a part of the Roman Catholic Church) or give homage to what helped them along the way. But.. you seem not to be going because you’re really deeply Roman Catholic, you’re attending for lesser, external reasons. And to that I’d say.. be careful. Catholics not only conduct themselves differently than orthodox people, but think even more differently than they act compared to orthodox Christians. And if you spend enough time there, you may take up their ways and heretic beliefs. Ecumenism is not advisable by the Orthodox Church and perhaps over time you will see why. The deeper you go, the more you may understand that they are divergent heretics.

@@kolepate7057 listen bro being a know it all, isn’t good at all, and you do what u want🤷‍♂️ we’re all brothers in Christ so don’t call them heretics. Maybe you should do more research on the beauty of the Catholic Church because it seems like u really don’t care to listen to Sam at all, he’s catholic, are you calling him a heretic? Come on bro your better than that

@@hoendygaming3201 I dont think @kolepate is better than that, not at least when he's saying things like that ...

Right!! Not only did he invent a council that hasn’t happened yet, he doesn’t seem to even know which era the Church Fathers existed in 🥴🫠

@@Life-er6mqif it happens he’ll call it a premonition

I don't see what the big deal is. Non-Catholics don't care if you have Vatican 10, 11,and 12, so who cares if he said Vatican 3

​@@derrickcarsonSimple. The truth matters.

​@@derrickcarson where are you getting data for your claim about what non Catholics believe?

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Well they belittled someone who was genuinely trying to have a discussion. Trying to make him seem dumb. That rubs people the wrong way. Though I do agree with you wholeheartedly. People can go overboard with the hating

We aren't all brothers and sisters in Christ with heritics 😂

@@tarekegnmekuria2019 , this shows me that you clearly never read the bible.

@@k.t.1641 , exactly what most of them are doing.

"Hell" Hmm.

Stuart must be a prophet!

Exactly, catholics keep changing scripture and bowing to idols

Amen, that is exactly the definition of protestantism.

Well said

This is what I got out of these types of videos

@@mikejames303 you should be ashamed of yourself. Who mentioned protestants or catholic or orthodox?

He was about to start a friction fire right? 😆

Yeah, they looked like they're peeing in their pants.
😂

❤ thank you!

it's hard to find, but it's a really great book

Thanks for sharing. I'm gonna look for it.

This book is about 'the law of attraction', which is incompatible with orthodox Christian teaching.

Please go back to Jesus and surrender your life to him. Let him be your lord and saviour. Man can't live a godly life without the help of the holy spirit. Magnetic Spirit by Arthur Solan is not a book to bring you any closer to God; don't be deceived.

From my study bible, it explains that the bread of life (Jesus) is a spiritual bread that satisfies us completely, leading to eternal life. But not Jesus' actual flesh. Which makes sense to me. Jesus compares this in john 6:58 to the manna eaten by our ancestors.
Manna = physical bread -> sustained the ancestors for a day
Jesus = Spiritual bread -> sustains you eternally
Similarly, Jesus refers himself as living water in John 4:10-13. He is talking about spiritual refreshment and does not mean that we will never thirst physically again.
Stuart might have been exasperated and let out some offensive statement about the Eucharist. But he is just trying to point out that it is not about the actual flesh and blood of Christ.
I'm from an Anglican church, I guess you can call me protestant. But I believe that as the body of Christ, we should care less about our denominations, who win an argument and who get destroyed. These debates should be solely for our edification and walk with Christ.

Exactly 💯. Jesus Christ already answered and it was not symbolic but truly his presence in the Eucharist which is why some disciples said it was a hard teaching. And because it's a hard teaching, many Protestants keep trying to avoid it at all cost. They are no different then the disciples who fled the scene when Jesus told him to eat his flesh and blood. He even tripled down on its importance (see John 6).
It's also fulfillment of prophesies as during the Last Supper, Jesus ordained the apostles to his Church (when he washed their feet): the example in OT is Melchizedek who was a high priest and ordained ministers by washing them. Also the Eucharist being served by the High Priest, in this case of the Last Supper, it's Jesus Christ and the sacrifice for Passover(The Last Supper) was lamb in the OT and then became Jesus in the NT as he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. When he was crucified he was also crowned with a crown of thorns which is the OT is basically prophesied by the scripture when God asks Abraham to kill his first born son and instead God provided a lamb with a crown of thorns. If you notice this story also tells us that God so loved us (humankind) that he gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ aka God in the flesh and Emmanuel (=God among us). So it's all so prophetic and as Jesus said himself, if you do not eat the manna which comes from Heaven, meaning Him, you do not have everlasting life (meaning you need it and yes there's a spiritual component to it which is his true presence in the Eucharist).

Its hilarious

Something along the lines of? Yeah your whole point now is invalid, get the quote. Then reply back. LOL.

@@budryx_me ruclips.net/video/69MVXiG8mGI/видео.html
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Cliffe emphasizes here that he trusts the Gospel from Mark, Luke, John, and Matthew over Muhammad. Guess who were their students? The Church Fathers men like Polycarp, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Origen who preserved the teachings of the apostles. These weren’t just neutral historians; they believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, honored the communion of saints, and upheld apostolic succession. So if Cliffe trusts the Gospels, he should also trust the very first Christians who were taught by the Gospel writers themselves and they clearly followed the same traditions still practiced by the ancient churches today.

@@Yesh14321 men like Polycarp, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Origen who preserved the teachings of the apostles. were these people direct disciples of the apostles? do we have record of this all the way to the apostles? but we do have "god breathed scripture" from the apostles themselves who knew Jesus Personally. and which one of them made the claim it is truly the body and blood of christ in literal sense and that they pray and bless the bread and wine to be so? Truly if it was that important that would be mentioned?
"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."

So true!❤

But what does the Bible say? The judgment of God is poured out on the unrighteousness of men! Romans 1:18. Why? “ because men suppress the truth in unrighteousness” sadly even with religious robes on!

Exactly... through Christ, we are one. This division is so silly

Without worldly ecumenism

All part of the great falling away...
All of you traded faith for works salvation

100% we need to come together. It's imperative in this current world especially in the west.

That's lovely 🌹 if I may ask, How did you come up with so much biweekly?

It is simply the digital market. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it.

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Examples in Scripture:
◦ Acts 16:31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 

◦ Romans 10:9-10: "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." 

◦ John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." 

◦ Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one can boast."

@@Didacus_787
Ok, then what exactly does „faith“ mean? What does „belief“ mean?

Thank God for Eastern Catholics, they are the brothers and sisters who stayed or came back after the great schism.

Yeah, I agree as a catholic..but tbf, it's very, very hard to defend V2 and it's disastrous consequences to a schismatic, and it just adds fuel to the schismatic fire. I mean the German church is almost in complete schism with Rome and the 'synodal way" in Germany almost entirely voted for blessing gay unions and endorsed homosexual behaviour. Pachamama worship, abrahamic family house, etc...why man..just why?

@bertrandrussell-u8f I get your concerns but the things you mentioned aren't the fruits of V2. The fruit of V2 that I can mention on top of my head are:
1. The Catechism of The Catholic Church
2. Rise in apologetics
3. Renewed vigour in studying the bible and the church fathers
4. Increase in laity participation

5. Relativism
6. Indifferentism
7. Modernism
8. Ecumenism

@@alfonsuskristo1624 I appreciate your optimist approach brother, but tbf a LOT of the apologetics success on youtube for the catholic side has been due to the absolute implosion and mass Exodus from evangelical circles. They're losing members, and losing fast. Until 2022, all of them were becoming atheists or agnostic or irreligious. Now, orthodoxy and catholicism are skyrocketing online, don't know much about week to week Mass but I sure the numbers are good. But it's mostly due to the protestant disaster, and not V2 necessarily.

And refuting Paul being sexist…

@ it’s wild man
Thanks for sharing these clips

@@ChristOverAll-1 😂

In what way was Paul sexist? ​@@ChristOverAll-1

​​@@Richard-xj2nuin the way that he lived 2000 years ago. Of course he was sexist😂 Anyone that lived in the 1st century would be considered sexist by modern standards. You were considered gay if you carried a water jug back then because it was a woman's job😂

You need validation to reinforce your faith?

@@garysanders8350 no, we need these debates to pursue the fullness of truth. If you're sincere and truly love God and you're neutral toward both debaters then you should study the writings of the early Church Fathers from the 1st and 2nd centuries to understand what they believed, (2 Thessalonians 2:15). If the Holy Spirit really guided these same early Fathers in compiling the canon of Scripture, then they can't be heretics. Either you're the one in error, or God didn't fulfill His promise to preserve His Word but God can never lie (Matthew 16:18, Ephesians 3:10)

@@Yesh14321 sounds more like putting god into a box of your liking. Like a Muslim arguing about the hadiths and the quran. The gospels and the apostles are the only sources given authority, not church fathers, not the pope. We should all be humble students not adversaries in God's church.

​@@garysanders8350 do you know the apostles are church fathers?
How do you know which Gospel is right and which one is a fraud? The Bible was never ''a'' book, rather it is the compilation of several books, now how do you know which books are correct and which books shouldn't be in the Bible?
God kept his promise, the Holy spirit guided the church father, he guided the apostles therefore what the apostles believed couldn't be heresies
How do you reconcile that the apostles and later their disciples believed things that are so opposite to churches such as the protestant churches (no matter which one of the 300+ denominations of the we're talking about)

@@garysanders8350 I agree 100% that we should be humble students of God’s truth which is why I go to both Scripture and the earliest Christians who were discipled by the apostles themselves. That’s not putting God in a box; that’s listening to how God chose to work through His Church. The apostles didn’t just write letters they taught, ordained leaders, and PASSED ON THE AUTHORITY 2 Thessalonians 2:15, Luke 10:16). If we ignore the Church they built, we risk building a version of Christianity disconnected from the foundation Christ Himself laid (1 Timothy 3:15, Matthew 16:18). You are attacking strawman respectfully, comparing that to hadiths in Islam isn’t accurate our Tradition comes directly from the apostles, not centuries later. If the Bible is our final authority, then we have to take seriously what it says about the authority of the Church and the role of tradition otherwise, we’re picking and choosing which verses to follow.

right, these people are focusing on the wrong thing

Sounds great, let us know when you get literally crucified next to God. There is also no proof the thief was not baptized beforehand. Yes a man established the ceremony, the God-man himself Jesus Christ. Seems the safe play to probably do what God instructed.

God directly commanded eucharist, confession, and prayer to saints. Using exceptions to the rule to justify going against God's command.

⁠@@Кивис-ч3йPrayer to saints? Where does it say that is the Bible?

Dismas was on the cross,how could he receive standardize baptism ? Its obvious it was a special event,but he confess that Christ is Lord . You think Jesus will rebuke him ?

Exactly, Jesus Christ is the ultimate authority not the church.

This whole claim backfires against you because unlike you Jesus never said I mean symbolically guy’s not literally!
It becomes more obvious. In John 6:50-53, we encounter several different forms of the Greek verb phago, which means “eating.” However, after the Jews began to express incredulity at the idea of eating the flesh of Christ, Jesus intensified his language. In verse 54, John begins to use trogo instead of phago. Trogo is a decidedly more vivid term, meaning “to chew on” or “to gnaw on”-as when an animal is ripping apart its prey. Christ is teaching his followers that they must literally eat his flesh and blood, which is true food and true drink.
So sorry we have to listen to Jesus not you or your pastors or Martin Luther and if what your claiming is true then all the early Christians are wrong including the apostles who taught this to their students I.e the church fathers. It means that the Holy Sprit was waiting for 1500 years for Luther so that he can teach us all the ‘truth’.
And as for communion doesn’t save- It is, as Christ Himself says in the Last Supper, “(His) body” and “(His) blood” (Mt 26:26-28; Mk 14:22-24; Lk 22:19-20; 1 Cor 11:24-25)

Exactly, dude. There's no way those people are real Christians claiming "they got destroyed". Lack of Christ like behaviour

If baptism and the eucharist are salvific and commanded by God, I'd say it's essential that they're taught this side of heaven.

@@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh I respect your position. But respect that user name even more!!! Bruh😎

This differences is already solved bcs prots view on eucharist already wrong. 😂

Exactly..

Sadly, your belief is flawed. The thief on the cross is DEAD according to you. Both Moses and Elijah are DEAD and never appeared on mount Transfiguration, right? The book of revelation speaks about the saints in heaven praying for us, or according to you they're DEAD, right?
Question to you: If Jesus gave us His church, who incidentally assembled the Bible, then why don't you recognise His church?

if you listen to the word of God, it is clear that Eucharist is the Blood and Body of Christ. Jesus was clear about it in John 6:53. and people like yourself said "Who can believe this strange teaching ? " and turned away from Him. Jesus later showed to his disciples during the Last Supper what He meant. So, you are clearly in the wrong here. You do not seem to internalize that Jesus became an fully human being just like all of us and gave His real Blood and his Real Flesh for our salvation not just his Word. He also established his Church to teach people what they need to do to get saved. And what early Church and all early Fathers of the Church taught is that Eucharist is the Real Blood and Body of Christ. They did not make it up or re-interpreted Christ's teachings because they got it directly from either Apostols themselves or of those who new them the Apostols. And Apostols taught exactly the same thing. So, unless you believe this, you are in the real danger of not being saved ...

@@DavidLTJ It is what Abraham said to the rich man, The poor man cannot go back and warn his family. Here it was established that the dead cannot speak to the living! But this dead is no longer in the World but alive with Christ.
Because I recognize Christ and not Satan who has entered the church built on walls here. The true church is in spirit, The church of the world has passed away

@@alexberkovich9992 I did not get my knowledge from apostles nor understanding from church, But from God! I am already saved because my faith is in Jesus Christ who came down in flesh and died on the cross for my sins. Yes I have accepted my free gift, I eat his flesh and drink his blood everyday and I nourish my soul. I take in the living water, I am never thirsty, Yes even the bread, I have not grown hungry, But I am filled and satisfied.

100 percent. I used to go to an Orthodox church, but it was the hostile attitude that some Orthodox have towards both Catholics and Coptics that pushed me towards the Papacy.

​@@ThornbushTilemakertbh they're a bit insufferable, and it mostly comes due to a cultural geopolitical hate of the roman empire and the papacy. It's like an eastern European ethno-club, and lacks (to some extent) catholicity. Catholics are very, very ecumenical towards the EO, while the EO calls them deluded, in prelest, etc. Not to say the EO church is not a true apostolic church, but there are issues with it.

Ecumenism, the last great heresy before the end.

@@sebastianvakarian9773 lmao, please just shut up. What a load of bollocks. Catholics and orthodox agree on almost EVERYTHING except the SPECIFIC language used to describe the eucharist and the hypostatic origin of the spirit, and maybe water- baptismal form. The end, dude seriously?

​​- This is why Roman Catholicism is the true Church. She is UNIVERSAL by preaching the gospel - not ethically locked away in culture and language like the Orthodox are. Roman Catholics have mass in the people's language and its worldwide thanks to Vatican II. Orthodoxy are still doing services in languages the local people don't know nothing about. ☝🏽The True Church grows !!! One the day of Pentacost, every man heard the gospel in their own language.

Other Protestant apologists will just throw him under the bus.

You know it's funny but I do notice this as well.

Hi there. The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church was there before Catholic church. Please read the Bible. The student is an Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church Deacon.

The diacon is not from eastern Orthodox. He is from Ethiopian Orthodox which is part of Oriental Orthodox church. They have different teaching.

Is not an irony. Tewahedo also a member of catholic(not roman catholic) church before chalcedon. Eastern ortho also the catholic before 1054 great schism

Tewahido is part of Oriental Orthodox church. No association with other wings of christianity after 451. ​@@ByzAsian45

It's not fighting for reigns, it's fighting for truth and weeding out false teachings. The earliest Christians did the same thing. Even Jesus. Think about it, most of Christ's ministry already believed God, am I wrong? But He pulled them away from the false teachers.

@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 So you are simply waving the catholic flag and saying Protestants are wrong. Even worse. That will draw the lost sheep for sure.

​@@Loganedward29 protestants are literally being deceived by these false teachers, I know the truth hurts, but it needs to be said.

​​​@@Loganedward29 I'm not catholic. And yes, protestants for the most part have interpreted scripture wrong and denied and have often even demonized the early Christians. Am I not telling the truth? And like I said, Jesus was pulling out His disciples from false teachers. There's no record in the scriptures of Him confronting non believers. Would you call Him wrong?
We do discuss with athiests as well, btw. But protestants spend so much time attacking the apostolic faith, even moreso than most atheists, that it needs to be addressed. Cliffe just publicly slandered these people on a viral podcast with something that's not even true. It's going to be corrected. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the earliest Christians, including the disciples of the apostles. You'll find more orthodox and Catholics talking to non believers online to show them the truth than you would protestants actually. But that doesn't mean slander and heresy gets a free pass.

This is important because it is foundational

He doesn't need to say symbol.
When he says destroy this temple and in 3 days I will...
He didn't say symbol.
And the Jews though he was talking about the synagogue.
Was his physical body not with them there. But he gave them bread and wine instead, That's a metaphoric representation of his body. Such that when you eat and drink, you eat of his body and drink of his blood.

@@louisugbunu2212 John 2:21 says, 'But He was speaking of the temple of His body.' Therefore, we know it was metaphorical, not literal. But in the case of the Eucharist, we take it literally, since no metaphor is implied.

Belief and Faith are not the same thing.

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. (John 6:56:58)

@yonastesfaye5795 so if you missed one week of fasting in order to drink the wine and didn't do confession you lose your salvation? Or if they preached to a country where there was no church, the people cannot be saved? Then evangelizing is in vain.

Peace to you beloved, when our Lord said “ do this in remembrance of me “ when partaking of the Eucharist, he did not mean to merely keep it as a symbol but what our Lord was saying was to keep ourselves prepared so that we stay away from sin that is why 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 states that those who takes it in an unworthy manner can die from it, the real presence of our Lord lives in that bread and wine and if it isn’t then that means it’s vanity which will give the pagans from ancient times validation in being correct

​@@EmilKolev1995 read john 6.
He was pretty clear that it was his flesh,he said it twice to the Disciples,who couldn t support.
If you are wright,why did he let them get out and leave them in such confusion?

Cuz hes not roman Catholic so cliff was losing so he had to attempt it

@daniellaradiaz5476 yep he just deflects and tries to find common ground with the Orthodox kid to end the conversation because he was getting his lunch eaten

@@dat8835 I agree.

we Hispanics have been doing it for hundreds of years

@@stone0234 really? i mean i been doing it normally but i think they do it infront of that eucharist item. We say its symbolic but i always thought it was literally tho not physical

@@MarcoGonzalez-v2eJust want to point out that the Church teaches Jesus is substantially present in the Eucharist not physically present.

@ sub? Explain please I know it’s not physical but how you mean?

@@MarcoGonzalez-v2e Just wanted to let you know I got your reply. It’s after midnight and I have to be up in 6 hours. I will try to respond in the morning.

Yeah.. I thought I was the only one who noticed

The irony is that they like to categorise the significance of the Church and the Church Fathers as falling into ‘man-made traditions’, yet their rebellious (protest) stemmed from one man 1500 years later; Martin Luther 😂

😂 debate master that’s funny. Any good Protestant theologian would wipe the floor with that orthodox deacon